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Bob Brown's avatar

The idea that we should all eat a vegetarian diet due to the environmental impact of meat production, is only true with the current system of factory farming. Permaculture systems integrate meat and crop production in ways that enhance both the raising of meat and crops and is sustainable.

Much of the push in food production is just about centralizing control of our food, in order to control us, not about the environment.

The current food production systems are bad for the environment, as they require a lot of external inputs and produce a lot of waste. But the solution is not centralization but greater localization with permaculture systems that cycle the "waste" through the system advantageously so they are more productive.

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Zot's avatar
Apr 5Edited

The whole idea that too many people are the problem is the problem. We lack freedom not food. If governments were to get out of the way people are capable of making good choices. Understand that the root word for "Capitalism" it "Head" (in German) and brainpower is what always finds another answer. The Earth has sufficient carrying capacity to feed at least twice as many people as it now holds IF they had the freedom to innovate and abundant energy. For with abundant, cheap energy ocean water can be desalinated and the deserts could bloom. As people get smarter family size shrinks because large families aren't required for survival. All the scare tactics (man made climate change, running out of resources, etc) are there to provide control and keep us from real solutions. We have enough coal, oil, nuclear fuel to power the world into a beautiful, clean,, well fed future. Just have to get governments out of the way and let freedom reign.

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Curious Outlier's avatar

Pierre and I had a brief conversation about this topic. And overarching worldview does matter with regard to all of these difficult unpredictable shifts that could potentially take place if Chlorine Dioxide was explored to its full potential.

Psalm 11:3 states "if the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?"

The foundations of a biblical worldview established on immutable principles have been and are being destroyed.

When these foundations are established, the world will flourish.

Jesus Christ and the principles that he laid out and commanded his disciples to spread to the world are the principles that lead to human flourishing.

Two great commands. Love God and love people. Those sum up the whole law of God. That's what Jesus said anyway.

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Curious Outlier's avatar

Worldview would also help one to see beyond themselves. Rather than seeing a life without the fulfillment of an extended family through biological sons and daughters. Jesus oriented worldview should lead one to consider the work of Christ called "opening your home." As God opened his home to us wayward sinners, so we can open our homes through adoption. I have two Chinese sons that we adopted after raising two of our own children.

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Leslie's avatar

So glad I didn't fall into the hole that our earth cannot sustain population growth. What with wars, floods, tornadoes, volcanos, and the copious amounts of illegal drugs available, chemicals and pesticides in our food, and the so-called "Covid-19s" of the world and the prescribed remedies, the fact that no one is having children in the developed world, and that we have abortion on demand up to birth, it shouldn't be a problem. To say that I am cynical is an understatement.

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JC's avatar

You lost me at vegetarian. Michael Pollan, Peskin & others have made it clear to me that my big energy sucking brain was formed by eating dense caloric meats & fish. Pollan would insist that cooked meat is key. When I became ill after psychiatric "treatments" (drugging for 25 years) starving myself of EFA's did not seem to be a good idea. Eating rich, fat meats & fish helped to heal my brain. I do not have the bowel structure of a gorilla or cow to turn my plants into EFA's.

It's a pain, because - I don't like to cause suffering, and what makes me deserve meat more than the rest of the planet? But I wish to survive, endure, with quality of life.

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Scott Marsland, FNP-C's avatar

I’m right there with you JC. And, I’m sorry to have lost you. In sharing my own personal experience of departing from veganism to eat meat again in order to heal and survive, it was my intent to bring you along in this thought excercise.

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JC's avatar
Apr 7Edited

OH! K! Got it!

There was so much emphasis on vegan / vegetarian - and I did pick up that you had to leave it behind to heal - but - the emphasis seemed to fall on the veggie side of things.

I gotta respect veggies, it's kind of like (in my mind) personal sacrifice for the good of the whole. But my constitution cannot handle that sacrifice.

And don't worry, you haven't "lost me" lost me, just that topic. I'm still a reader! (and better, now that I understand better). Thank you!

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Tisha Palmer's avatar

Sophia texted me late last night from her college dorm to tell me. Thanks for taking the time out of your busy schedule to allow her to interview you. This is her senior project for her bachelor’s degree in global studies. She graduates next month, then who knows where she’ll be off too!

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